WAC Beta v0.1 - Downloads, comments, suggestions

palidoo · March 22nd, 2011

Maigrets wrote:
palidoo wrote:I just recently added a number of item mods like Armamentarium, John's Leveled List Overhaul, and a bunch of others. This made me realize it's about time I activate the TCOS esp and experience the wonderful Real Swords and other equipment. Can anyone confirm that it integrates correctly when using Bash to merge leveled lists? I want to say I scanned the lists' modifications after rebuilding my patch the last time and didn't see TCOS there, but I could be wrong. Does ayone else use TCOS with a bunch of other mods modifying leveled lists and know that it all works together? I want to find some of Waalx's wonderful creations in loot and on NPCs!
It depends on what the other mods are to an extent. Armamentarium should be OK, you'll get a mega amount of weapons and armours with WAC as well, but variety isn't a bad thing. I don't know much about John's Overhaul, but I have heard of it.

Anyway, I have all of the WAC esps merged into my Bashed Patch and all works as intended, but I don't currently have anything that adds more creatures (except Mimics), other big weapon or armour mods or the like. I've toned down my mod list considerably since I removed FCOM and Armamentarium co-incidenatally.... I use COBL and a few other mods that add to leveled lists but don't affect WAC.

I'll have to keep an eye out for TCOS items I guess, I haven't spent enough time with my new expanded setup yet. I just worry there's something wrong with TCOS's integration because it doesn't show up in the changes to leveled lists after rebuilding my bashed patch. Armamentarium and all of the other item mods I'm using are integrated in various spots, but there is not a single entry that has TCOS modifying it. But for now I guess I'll wait and see, hopefully it works out somehow.

Gork712 · March 23rd, 2011

palidoo wrote:I just recently added a number of item mods like Armamentarium, John's Leveled List Overhaul, and a bunch of others. This made me realize it's about time I activate the TCOS esp and experience the wonderful Real Swords and other equipment. Can anyone confirm that it integrates correctly when using Bash to merge leveled lists? I want to say I scanned the lists' modifications after rebuilding my patch the last time and didn't see TCOS there, but I could be wrong. Does ayone else use TCOS with a bunch of other mods modifying leveled lists and know that it all works together? I want to find some of Waalx's wonderful creations in loot and on NPCs!

Johns leveled list overhaul works if you use wrye bashes bashed patch, provided you can even get wrye bash to work. But its well worth it if you can.

Also i am having problems with this mod where i crash as soon as i get close to a gargoyle, enter the imperial city market district, some npcs are missing bodies where clothes/armour should be, and generally crashing when ever i move for more than 30 seconds. D:

March 23rd, 2011

@ Gork712

Wyre Bash works fine as long as you apply the fixes for the Arena Vampire eyes which you can find a couple of pages back. You'll need TES4Edit, but it's easy if you follow the instructions. There's also a fix somewhere back a few pages for the Gnolls skeleton which was causing crashes.

Re your other crashes....Either you have another mod that is overriding something and causing the crashes or your load order is messed up. Are you using all the WAC esps, or only some of them?

Since the meshes and textures are in a BSA WAC should be installed correctly as far as that goes. Perhaps you need to register the BSA in the game ini, but if you use OBMM that will be automatic.

Also are you using Windows 7 and have Oblivion installed in the programs folder rather than C:\Oblivion, for example. I still use Windows XP so I don't have that issue, thankfully.

Gork712 · March 23rd, 2011

Maigrets wrote:@ Gork712

Wyre Bash works fine as long as you apply the fixes for the Arena Vampire eyes which you can find a couple of pages back. You'll need TES4Edit, but it's easy if you follow the instructions. There's also a fix somewhere back a few pages for the Gnolls skeleton which was causing crashes.

Re your other crashes....Either you have another mod that is overriding something and causing the crashes or your load order is messed up. Are you using all the WAC esps, or only some of them?

Since the meshes and textures are in a BSA WAC should be installed correctly as far as that goes. Perhaps you need to register the BSA in the game ini, but if you use OBMM that will be automatic.

Also are you using Windows 7 and have Oblivion installed in the programs folder rather than C:\Oblivion, for example. I still use Windows XP so I don't have that issue, thankfully.

I only have some WAC plugins used, i also have OOO amonge some other mods installed, I have the WAC-OOO plugin too. Player summons, birds & insects, companions, 8th gate and legion are not being used. I updated my bashed patch so everything should be working (i think D:). With the bashed patch i have been able to explore at least to the edges of IC, however i notice that some bridges are missing a the roads to them are pink, and city doors arent working.

I use windows 7 and my copy of oblivion is from steam and is im my second HD which doesnt have a program files folder. I have used BOSS, OBSE and OBMM, honestly i have no idea whats wrong, maybe i should try playing without OOO but i love that mod. Oblivion seems dull without it. :s
Also i cant seem to find this vampire eyes patch you mentioned. I must be blind or something

palidoo · March 24th, 2011

So, when rebuilding my bashed patch and going through the changes I actually came across a single instance of TCOS:

• LL0VampireShirt100
• WAC - TCOS.esp [ADR]

So... yeah. I'm still really skeptical, but haven't played enough to know for sure if the RealSwords weapons and WAC equipment aren't being merged into leveled lists. But wouldn't you expect to see it modifying more entries than vampire shirts? I'm going to try it with the older individual race esps at some point to see if I get any results from them, but unless someone can tell me for sure that the results Bash gives aren't the totality of it, I'm going to remain skeptical. I want TCOS to work with everything else!

EDIT: Well, I did come across a sword, but it was on a goblin, and I have a mod that specifically gives RealSwords and tribal shields to goblins, so I still can't be sure. I guess I'll find out eventually. Still, there has to be someone out there that knows if TCOS is supposed to be listed as modifying specific leveled lists after rebuilding a bashed patch, or if it's included but somehow doesn't show up in that dialogue.

washington · March 24th, 2011

I'm a bit out of the game so I'm just guessing, but I think that it should have Invent tag.

Load whole your load order in TES4Edit and check what gets drawn.

March 24th, 2011

Gork712 wrote:
Maigrets wrote:@ Gork712

Wyre Bash works fine as long as you apply the fixes for the Arena Vampire eyes which you can find a couple of pages back. You'll need TES4Edit, but it's easy if you follow the instructions. There's also a fix somewhere back a few pages for the Gnolls skeleton which was causing crashes.

Re your other crashes....Either you have another mod that is overriding something and causing the crashes or your load order is messed up. Are you using all the WAC esps, or only some of them?

Since the meshes and textures are in a BSA WAC should be installed correctly as far as that goes. Perhaps you need to register the BSA in the game ini, but if you use OBMM that will be automatic.

Also are you using Windows 7 and have Oblivion installed in the programs folder rather than C:\Oblivion, for example. I still use Windows XP so I don't have that issue, thankfully.
I only have some WAC plugins used, i also have OOO amonge some other mods installed, I have the WAC-OOO plugin too. Player summons, birds & insects, companions, 8th gate and legion are not being used. I updated my bashed patch so everything should be working (i think D:). With the bashed patch i have been able to explore at least to the edges of IC, however i notice that some bridges are missing a the roads to them are pink, and city doors arent working.

I use windows 7 and my copy of oblivion is from steam and is im my second HD which doesnt have a program files folder. I have used BOSS, OBSE and OBMM, honestly i have no idea whats wrong, maybe i should try playing without OOO but i love that mod. Oblivion seems dull without it. :s
Also i cant seem to find this vampire eyes patch you mentioned. I must be blind or something

That OOO patch is for the Alpha version so it might be causing you some problems since a lot has changed in WAC since then. But I doubt it would cause missing bridges and non working doors.

Re the doors...Are you playing with an existing character that has many hours on it? Can't remember the exact number without looking it up, but it's something like 200 hours. If you also have switches, and other animations like spells and flames etc that don't animate you may have the A Bomb or animation glitch. You can fix it with Wrye Bash.
This is a quick search I did on Google that explains it. It's an old forum post but still relevant.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246466

Otherwise it's something else I have no idea about unless you feel like reinstalling the game and starting over which might fix the problems. I know what a drag that is and I'd hate to have to do it with what I have in my game. I messed up not long ago when I was cleaning out some unused mods and deleted all my icons by accident because they were all still highlighted when I was removing a select few, but I managed to fix it without re-installing. That's what happens when I stay up all night fiddling with things.

I know what you're saying though about missing OOO though. I still have it installed but not using with WAC. I'm thinking about making an OOO specific character to get the dangerous dungeons and other unique stuff back for awhile.

Re the vampire eyes...it's not a patch. You need to download TES4Edit and do this, which I copied for myself from whichever page its on, and so I don't have to search for it. There were reports that a Bashed Patch couldn't be created at all without this fix, or Bash would error or something along those lines, so since you already have one I don't know what's going on there either.

1) Download and open TES4Edit.exe
2) In the menu that has popped up, titled Master/Plugin Selection, right click on any esp/esm and select "Select None"
3) Select all of the WAC esps and the esm, including the ones you dont need, click ok, and let the processing finish.
4) click the little + to the left of the Waalx Animals and Creatures.esm, then click the + next to the "eyes" subfolder
5) find the editorID for the value "eyeVampireYellowWAC" and right click it, then click change "FormID"
6) change the ID in this little pop-up to "0003B379" minus the quotes, click OK.
7) Select all the records that pop up in the next menu (I had 3), click OK.
8) Click ok again, this is just telling you the updating was successful.
9) Close TES4Edit with the X in the corner, click ok the save the changes.
10) Have fun running your patch

Thanks to the person who posted this originally.

Sorry, I didn't look back to see.

Gork712 · March 24th, 2011

I created a new character specifically for using WAC, if the OOO patch is for the alpha then yeah i guess that does explain the missing bridges. I deactivated OOO so only WAC is running and it works fine now, but if you say that the OOO patch is for alpha then will there be a new patch for the latest version? (im assuming the link on the 1st page of this thread, v1 beta is the latest?

).

March 27th, 2011

Gork712 wrote:I created a new character specifically for using WAC, if the OOO patch is for the alpha then yeah i guess that does explain the missing bridges. I deactivated OOO so only WAC is running and it works fine now, but if you say that the OOO patch is for alpha then will there be a new patch for the latest version? (im assuming the link on the 1st page of this thread, v1 beta is the latest? ).

Yes Beta1 is the latest version. I don't know if anyone plans to do an OOO patch, but I'd be surprised if one didn't pop up sooner or later though.

Gork712 · March 27th, 2011

Well the bashed patch didnt really do anything to help after all, im still getting pink roads and missing bridges, as well as doors not working. I cant even get too far away from the prison sewer without the game crashing. ;(

March 27th, 2011

Gork712 wrote:Well the bashed patch didnt really do anything to help after all, im still getting pink roads and missing bridges, as well as doors not working. I cant even get too far away from the prison sewer without the game crashing. ;(

How about if you post a load order of your mods? I looked back a few pages and didn't see that you already posted one.

Either use Wrye Bash or OBMM to get the load order, not an alphabetic list as it's necessary to see if another mod is causing the problems because of it's position in the loading priority.

I generally use OBMM to get my load order so go to Import/Export at the right of the OBMM window, then select View Load Order. Save it to a text editor like Wordpad then post it here.

Depending on other mods you're using someone else may be able to help better as I don't use anything that really would interfere like that. Are you using any of the Unique Landscape or Better Cities mods, or anything like them that would possibly add landscape or city changes? Just a wild guess as maybe they may have something to do with it, if you have them of course. I don't use either of those, especially the UL mods, as my system would fry, although I would like to.

Gork712 · March 27th, 2011

I am using some unique lanscapes, but they had no problem before, i was able to see the bridges and had no pink roads, now im not sure. I do have two WAC compatability patches for dark forest and chorrol hinterlands, but since you said the OOO patch was for the wrong version im think the same thing might be happening here?

Load order is as follows. Note this is a list of all active mods only. I appologise that its so long.

00 Oblivion.esm
01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.0]
02 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
03 Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm
04 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esm
05 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
06 CM Partners.esm
07 ScreenEffects.esm
08 _amnes_base.esm
09 TweakedGenericFaces.esp
0A Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
0D All Natural.esp [Version 1.1]
0E All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.0]
0F Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
10 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.1]
11 Morag Tong Assassins(V1.3).esp
12 personality_idles4.esp
13 Player Hunters Fame and Infamy - Normal.esp
14 RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
15 RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]
16 WAC - Crowded Roads Revisited.esp [Version 1.1]
17 DLCHorseArmor.esp
18 DLCOrrery.esp
19 DLCVileLair.esp
1A DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
1B DLCSpellTomes.esp
1C MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
1D EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
1E HGEC_special_armor_repl.esp
1F BodMod.esp
20 Drake Knight Armor and Weapons v1.0.esp
21 Drake Knight Complete.esp
22 LKF_EY_Vampirehunter.esp
23 MHSNKirin.esp
24 NexonsArmoryENG.esp
25 Noble Plate Armory.esp
26 pale_rider's Armory of the Berserker.esp
27 pale_rider's Nordic Warrior Armor.esp
28 pale_rider's Paladin Equipment_enchanted_eng.esp
29 Queensarmory.esp
2A RenKnockOutArrow.esp
2B Schwertleite Armor.esp
2C scummsWeaponRack.esp
2D Shdw_Armor pack01.esp
2E Shdw_Armor pack02.esp
2F Shdw_Armor Set_Sotonhorian.esp
30 Shdw_Armour Set_Ziragon.esp
31 Shdw_Weapon Set_Thorgeir.esp
32 Shdw_weapon pack01.esp
33 Shdw_weapon pack02.esp
34 SSA.esp [Version 2.0]
35 Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp
36 tda_Armoury.esp
37 trfjChronoStaff.esp
38 trfjBladeMasterSword.esp
39 trfjEmpireGreatsword.esp
3A trfjEmpireLongsword.esp
3B trfjSpiderGreatsword.esp
3C trfjSolarisStaff.esp
3D Unique Ebony Sets.esp
3E VA_DaedricPriestessArmour.esp
3F Vvardenfell_Imports.esp
40 Blackmarsh_Witch_HGEC.esp
41 Dragon Princess.esp
42 R18PN - FuruFuru Armor.esp
43 AncientTowers.esp
44 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03]
45 DLCThievesDen.esp
46 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
47 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
48 Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
49 Plate Armor Plus - Woman's Move Edition.esp
4A WAC.esp
4B WAC - OverSpawn.esp
4C WAC - BlackBootDungeon.esp
4D WAC - Dead Knights.esp
4E WAC - Horses.esp
4F WAC - TCOS.esp
50 WAC - TCOS Shops.esp [Version 03]
51 WAC - Gladiator.esp
52 WAC - Magic.esp
53 Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp [Version 1.0]
54 AnvilBayExpansion.esp
55 HelsethArmor.esp
56 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
57 Romuska Fantasy Store.esp
58 SenTineL's Legendary Weapons And Armors.esp
59 The Temple of Serpent Race.esp
5A Thermae.esp
5B Tona's_ModsStore.esp
5C Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
5D Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp
5E DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
5F DLCfrostcrag.esp
60 Knights.esp
61 TOTF.esp
62 The Lost Spires.esp
63 MannimarcoRevisited.esp
64 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
65 ElsweyrAnequina.esp
66 ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp [Version 1.1]
67 Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp
68 Walkabout.esp
69 WAC - Elsweyr Anequina.esp
6A HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.2]
6B xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
6C LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
6D WAC-ULdarkforest-patch.esp
6E xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
6F LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]
70 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
71 WAC-ULchorrolhinterland-patch.esp
72 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
73 Tales Elsweyr Anq Bravil Barrowfields Patch.esp
74 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
75 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
76 TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
77 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
78 Reaper's Arcane University.esp
79 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
7A Banes Diverse Guards.esp
7B P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
7C RenCorpseMod.esp
7D More Effective Enchantments.esp
7E FearsomeMagicka.esp
7F RenGuardOverhaul.esp
80 tkHairPack01.esp
81 CT-Argonian Headstyles.esp
82 Corean_hair_for_Original_race.esp
83 _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp
84 CM Partners.esp
85 Hidden_Elves.esp [Version 1.1]
86 Moonshadow Elves - Sc.esp
87 CuteElf11.esp [Version 1.2]
88 _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
89 IDKRRR_C_race.esp
8A Chocolate Elves.esp
8B ahtata dremora.esp
8C X.Races.Comp.esp
8D CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
8E CM Partners NPC.esp
8F CM Partners More NPCs.esp
90 CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
91 CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
92 CM Embla.esp
93 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
94 Khajiit Fix.esp
95 Better Looking Dark Elves.esp
96 Better Looking Dremora.esp
97 Better Looking Redguards.esp
98 Better Looking Wood Elves COBL.esp
99 Head06 Replacer.esp
9A ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.esp
9B KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
9C SLWA_Anequina_Patch.esp
9D MTarmorTweaks.esp
9E tdaArmorySexy.esp
9F DayWalkerRaceCompanion.esp
A0 DrowRaceCompanion.esp
A1 HumanRaceCompanion.esp
A2 NightWalkerRaceCompanion.esp
A3 BSDarkElfRaceCompanion.esp
A4 CM_Lantice.esp
A5 CM Emilia.esp
A6 jhul_animations_specialanims.esp
A7 KHStrangers.esp [Version 1.0]
A8 ObliviousBetterLava.esp
A9 Redoran Dark Elf.esp
AA CloudRulerPlayerRoom.esp
AB zzCCAO.esp
AC merged patch.esp

palidoo · March 27th, 2011

Well, I came across an Imperial gladius on some amazonian or barbarian from MMM (I think), so I guess TCOS is getting in on the leveled lists despite not showing up after I rebuild my bashed patch. I was worried for a while, Armamentarium and John's Leveled List Overhaul so dominated the random loot I was coming across that I couldn't tell if any RealSwords were in the game. Hooray for Bash, I went from almost totally vanilla item content to 4000 new items or some crazy number.

Axah121 · March 27th, 2011

Gork, have you been using the LODGen?

Gork712 · March 27th, 2011

Axah121 wrote:Gork, have you been using the LODGen?

Yes i have

Axah121 · March 28th, 2011

Try getting the latest 1.3 version of all natural?

March 28th, 2011

Gork712,
You really should upgrade Weather- All Natural as there have been several updates since the version you're using. I'm using the version before the latest which is 1.3 as Axah131 said, but I don't feel like downloading it again just now as I only just got the one I'm using. I'm not having any problems beside too much rain, but also haven't yet altered the All Natural ini file either.

Other than that I can't see anything that would cause issues unless it is a UL mod and like I said I can't help you much there. Regarding the pink textures...have you updated Archive Invalidation? I assume you have, but since it's bridges and roads that are your main problem I'd be looking very closely at the UL mods since they alter land.

I would suggest deactivating those mods in particular temporarily and see if the problems still exist.

What about OBSE and the version number? The latest versions of Weather-All Natural requires it at version 0019b or greater.
Here's the latest All Natural link in case you need it:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18305

Since you have run TES4LODgen you also need to run it every time you've added or removed any landscape altering mods as well as things like Elsweyr Anequina of course. That shouldn't have any effect on missing textures though.

This is an example of one of my load orders from Wrye Bash. You'll see my Bashed Patch is named for the character because I have separate profiles for each character and their races, and other than the main mods, they all have different things like armours and bits and pieces as well as their own companion animals.

This load order is minimal compared to what I used to have with FCOM before I removed it.

A couple of these mods are my own personal additions with chests of things I've taken out of other mods. I also add and remove mods pretty often when I'm trying things out and this is a new character so there are more I haven't yet added in for her.

spoiler:

Gork712 · March 28th, 2011

I have the latest obse version, made sure i didnt forget that one.

As for UL ill see what happens when i dactivate those and update lodgen again.

EDIT: Tried it, didnt make any difference

March 29th, 2011

Well, the only other thing I can suggest is to make an entirely new character and use NO mods at all as a test. I don't mean give up on the one you're currently playing but a quickly made vanilla character should tell you if it's a mod problem and which one it is if you slowly add mods back and test. Just back up your current saves beforehand and preferably move them out of the saves folder.

If you still have the problems then it tells you you either haven't installed something correctly, ie textures, non esp files are causing it, or it's incorrect Archive Invalidation.

A mistake many people make when removing mods is not removing all the files that came with the mod, especially when they use animation and texture replacers. In the case of textures, sometimes when they are removed the game "should" revert to the vanilla BSA, but it doesn't always happen. Either Wrye Bash or OBMM can be used to undo BSA edits.

If a strictly vanilla test doesn't fix the problem and reverting BSA edits if necessary, I'm out of ideas and a re-install of the game, only adding mods one at a time and thoroughly testing is probably the best solution.

My apologies if I'm telling you things you already know but I have no way of knowing what you know do I?

BTW...did you do what Washington suggested and take a look at your files in TES4Edit?

washington · March 29th, 2011

Pink something means missing texture. Get FormID Finder to find out which mesh from which mod is that and check if you have installed it properly (maybe you have data inside data or something).

TES4LODGen does not alter landscape LOD, only new items like trees, houses, rocks etc. Everything that has _far nif.

For landscape LOD it is important to install the files from the mods and if you uninstall the mod remove them. Best would be to install/uninstall mods with Wrye Bash BAIN that way you won't have to worry.

Once you have a problem and you find out to which mod it belongs with FormID Finder (or RefSkope), use TES4Edit to load that mod or the whole load order to check and investigate the problem and to fix it.

Feel free to ask for help if don't know what to do.