WAC Beta v0.1 - Downloads, comments, suggestions

[StarX]

the werewolves will be a bit more mean.

WAC Werewolves! Yay!

[Krigulv]

well, i was excited about seeing the gnolls when you first mentioned them.. and you DID NOT disappoint. they look awesome.

[vorkosigan]

Oooh. They look like were-hyenas.

[Rung]

Looks great.
Love the feather accessories.
They'll look spectecular with your camp tiles.

[trollf]

StarX -
If you don't know what gnolls are then I presume you haven't played anything related to D&D (Baldurs Gate, NWN or IWD), right? :]

[StarX]

StarX -
If you don't know what gnolls are then I presume you haven't played anything related to D&D (Baldurs Gate, NWN or IWD), right? :]

Nope, Oblivion was actually the first RPG I played. But don't tell anyone!

[trollf]

I won't. Let's keep it secret :]



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btw, Waalx, I can see many one handed swords you have posted lately. Do you have any plans for two handers? Not exactly claymores, but just bigger 2H swords?

[Waalx]

I won't. Let's keep it secret :]



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btw, Waalx, I can see many one handed swords you have posted lately. Do you have any plans for two handers? Not exactly claymores, but just bigger 2H swords?

yeah always more... I have a new Imperial two-handed gladius! and others are planned for later.

The Knight Bastard should be two-handed , but I want it one handed for some good reasons.. Knight with a blade on the side look better, The blade still show on horses, and the Dead Lords have capes, so a back weapon would look bad.



Just a small update to show the Gnoll colors. The only place on the map where you can meet all species at once is at Gnoll Meeting Camp (pun intended be cause all Gnolls will travel there..

Gnolls will not be met in caves or inside. they are exterior beasts. Probably not friendly to goblins either. so if you see some in cave it would be an anti-goblin raid directed by a Gnoll clan. Otherwise you will meet them pretty much everywhere in forests areas, or in their camps.

I'm not fixed on their origin yet, although some like the Albinos could be placed easy in the snow areas. For the rest I need to think.

[nemetoad]

Well considering their resemblance to hyenas, placing them in the more plains-looking areas might be good origin points or wherever the other feline animals appear from too. Could set up some in the same areas as goblins too, causing them to have a nice quarrel and whatnot. easy picking for the adventurer who knows what to do to get stuff from both.

[Mormacil]

I suggest Valenwood or Skyrim

[Strongbow]

Those Gnolls look great.

The feat look do better in the 2nd screen .Probably because of the colors.I love the choices of those.

What plans do you have for their statistics?

[Haruko]

wow, my comp get's fixed, I come back and cool stuff has happened. I love the quest idea, and the Gnolls are awesome, maybe a little bit bigger feet, I can pull up some images if you like on how the feet "should" look (yeah, I know, being picky on a race of creature that doesn't actually exist.) but if you'd like just ask and I can show you how it's supposed to look based on the idea of what a human/dog hybrid would look like.

[Forgotten]

The gnolls look great! Forgive me if I missed anything (I admit I've just been skimming through the last few pages to catch up with the discussion) but are the gnolls going to have their own set of weapons as well or will they just use the goblin weapons for now?



Oh, and apologies for not really having much time for playtesting v0.04 at the moment. Though later this month I have 17 days off of work coming up. I'm also awaiting the last parts for my new system which should arrive within about two weeks time. Once my new "beast" is set up properly (shouldn't take more than a day or so once I have all the parts) I'll be sure to give WAC v0.05 a thorough spin (if 0.05 is already out by then) as there seems to be a ton of interesting new features in it.

Keep up the good work!

Cheers, UQF

[Griffonite]

The gnolls look phenomenal Waalx! Are they going to have their own primitive architecture or some form or architecture in the game?

[Shadowcran]

Those gnolls look great Waalx. That's one creature I really wanted to see added to Oblivion and you did a bang up job on that design. Gnolls have almost disappeared from D & D type games and books with no reason as to why.

Seems you're taking suggestions as to how to use them? Well, often gnolls make excellent henchmen for leader type NPC's. Since they're hyena like, a mocking high pitched laugh would suit them. For some reason, in D & D, due to their large size, they tend to use polearms mostly, but that's just D & D.

As to their origin?

"East of Cyrodiil, in the parts of the map marked as "here, there be monsters", the gnolls flourished with little competition as to resources. However, A long drought, coupled with a volcanic explosion drove them to seek better climes. Seeing the rich resources of Cyrodiil, the gnolls saw their chance for a revival of their dominance. Now seeking a place in this new world, they are trying to learn to adapt to new foes, new glory, and new riches. Much reduced in number due to the drought, the gnolls have to change their tactics and their livelihood."

Hyenas are actually very adept pack hunters, using their 'laughs' as coded signals of coordination, they are often in groups of 10 with very well coordinated behavior, with a female as the dominant one. Hyenas were long thought to be only scavengers, until researchers started recording night time activity and found the hyenas were actually making most of the kills, with the lions chasing them off and scavenging.

[Tlo1048]

....hajasfhiuabfja....ahsdfihasdoignfasoidgklasd....ahsdgiohaslidgniasdgoia.
Sorry, I was having a seizure from those AWESOME Gnolls!!!!
This is totally gonna be fun. WAC definately needs more of the...how do I say it...Horror/fantasy style creatures in it, and these are flippin' cake.
You're the man Waalx.
Y'know...(Coming from a purely unbiased, WAC-friendly standpoint.) you could make some cool Gnoll-style Lizardmen. (like Naga). And make them war with the gnolls. That'd be wicked.

[Waalx]

Well considering their resemblance to hyenas, placing them in the more plains-looking areas might be good origin points or wherever the other feline animals appear from too. Could set up some in the same areas as goblins too, causing them to have a nice quarrel and whatnot. easy picking for the adventurer who knows what to do to get stuff from both.

Although hyenas do live in plain areas in our world, those Gnolls aren't hyenas, they are evolved hyenas. They do have camps as the goblins, (well one so far).

I suggest Valenwood or Skyrim

that's not a good one

I want the Gnolls everywhere on the map. But, they are probably from Hammerfell as the Hyenas are from there too?

The feat look do better in the 2nd screen .Probably because of the colors.I love the choices of those.

What plans do you have for their statistics?

stats will be around the ones of powerful Goblins. Lesser Gnoll has the power of a Skirmisher goblin.

can pull up some images if you like on how the feet "should" look (yeah, I know, being picky on a race of creature that doesn't actually exist.) but if you'd like just ask and I can show you how it's supposed to look based on the idea of what a human/dog hybrid would look like.

don't worry I know how it should look. If i made it that way it was a decision on my own. Same as I know how a Smurf should look, but I did not exactly do them gentle and baby-cute. Now it remains to be seen if I will redo their feet to a more classical looking way. And as you are all crying about it.. probably will redo.

The gnolls look great! Forgive me if I missed anything (I admit I've just been skimming through the last few pages to catch up with the discussion) but are the gnolls going to have their own set of weapons as well or will they just use the goblin weapons for now?

Now they use goblin stuff. I need to see. Of course specific weapons to them would be cool. They will be ferocious hand to hand fighters too.

Oh, and apologies for not really having much time for playtesting v0.04 at the moment.

no problemo, and good luck with your new system.. Man am I overdue to change mine as well!!

Are they going to have their own primitive architecture or some form or architecture in the game?

the Goblins don't even have that! (architecture). Well except from camps. Let's start with weapons. They will have camps as the goblin do though. Gnoll Meeting place is the first one, there are no goblin there no more, only Gnolls. So the logic is to have other place for them if they 'meet' in Gnoll Meeting Camp. If I do make something new for them ( and I should) it should be very rustic.

Well, often gnolls make excellent henchmen for leader type NPC's.

this gave me an idea. I have been toying with the idea of evil NPC and evil players since a while. So far the only thing I already implemented in WAC toward this is the Bandit chief helm that give you the bandit faction if you wear it.

Yet I was thinking of doing something to take the player infamy into account. The most infamous you are, the less chances you'd have to find other sentient that are willing to fight you. And it would be natural. If you are a famous (here infamous) bad-ass in the empire, the bandits and other intelligent life forms would come to know it.

infamous mean famous, but no bandit knows? If you are meanest than a bandit, and reputed to be an infamous dog, a bandit wouldn't want to fight you, he should know better, and maybe even flee from you. or offer to serve you..

So Gnolls, while maybe not being the most intelligent of all, could be like this as well. If you are very mean, you could hire a Gnoll or two to follow you and help.

"East of Cyrodiil, in the parts of the map marked as "here, there be monsters", the gnolls flourished with little competition as to resources. However, A long drought, coupled with a volcanic explosion drove them to seek better climes. Seeing the rich resources of Cyrodiil, the gnolls saw their chance for a revival of their dominance. Now seeking a place in this new world, they are trying to learn to adapt to new foes, new glory, and new riches. Much reduced in number due to the drought, the gnolls have to change their tactics and their livelihood."

east of Cyrodiil meaning what here? Morrowind or Black Marsh? Anyway I want them more to be local to the place than from a specific other region like most beast of WAC. I will place them around the map, instead of in one corner only.

What I meant when I said I don't know where they are from yet... is where are they on the map. the Red Gnolls turned red because of something in their area, maybe from Elsweir. The brown adapted to theirs also, the beige are the closest to hyena so they are near hammerfel. The white albinos would have migrated to the cold. The black could have come in contact with beasts from Vallenwood like black panther and white tigers. That's what I have yet to see..



Yesterday I remade all the hanging gibbets so they are now animated, the cages and hanged corpses now sway a bit. And I remade the collision for those too, wood is wood, and flesh is flesh. And a new texture for the nails so no problem with that anymore. And I made a couple more variations too.

[Mormacil]

Total awesomeness The gnolls look good. A suggestion is more zombielike stuff in the marches south east of Cyrodiil

[Shadowcran]

It doesn't have to be east, I was using that as a general term. It can be 'from the north', 'from the south', or across the sea from the west(this would mean having to make the gnolls sailors of some kind so I don't know about this one). It can even be 'from the deep depths'. It could also be "from the creations of necromancers or summoners gone awry".

"From mysterious portals that have now disappeared"
"From an unholy liasson between a dog cult of humans and....dogs while using the dark arts"
"From a scientists desire to create a slave race to serve as his/her army but was instead torn to pieces by his very creations"..

Take your pick. I can make a story out of any or all of them.

[Shadowcran]

Head's throbbing Or I'd be better able to recall the name...The god wanting Umbra(I think it's Umbra) had a dog right? Perhaps the gnolls are the creations/subjects of this dog? Geez, I need to go lie down, still ill. But this seems like a great origin that would have some lore base.